Part 47: Cleopatra Jones and the Chat With Barik
Cleopatra Jones and the Chat With BarikLast time on Tyranny, we prepared to go to the Blade Grave and finish up Act 2. Today we're... not doing that. Now, I want to point out that despite the new update, the party vote is still open, so if you haven't voted, do so!

First things first: We're going to forge the piece of Cairn into a sweet staff that we're honestly out of weapon slots to use, but maybe Lantry would like it. Not pictured: selling a bunch of random crap to get the money to pay the Forge gang.

I could have sworn that this should proc Tunon's second trial - another Fatebinder - but apparently not. As this thwarted my plans for the update, we're going to talk to Barik instead.

We haven't actually talked a lot to Barik aside from his sidequest, which is I still maintain is the best part of the DLC.


The man's been with us almost as long as Verse and has put his life on the line for us.



Barik has, sadly, drunk far too deeply of the Graven Ashe kool-aid.


This raises so many questions! Where are the Disfavored getting food? The standard in the Bronze Age is that you loot everything, because that's both how the army is paid and how you supply it. We're not close to a waterway, and no word has been made of Ashe buying food. Hell, the Disfavored treat the local merchants like shit.









I'm not sure why I asked this. Barik gave us the lowdown in our quest to get it off of him.

Oh, because we are gonna see just how deep the kool-aid goes.



We are going to need to talk about this.






Before we proceed, let's talk about what just happened. Graven Ashe is an incompetent fuckup throwing his troops away into an Edict he knows is coming to maybe rescue his daughter. This is not just me saying this, that is actual evidence of incompetence you can present to Tunon for the Archon investigation. As a result the Disfavored are critically weakened - losing "all the decorated soldiers" under Barik's command - and failing to achieve their nominal objective of rescuing Graven Ashe's daughter.
Yet despite Barik's imprisonment in his own shit being entirely Kyros' and Ashe's fault, he's super deep in the kool-aid. Now, critical thinking isn't exactly Barik's strong suit, to be fair. His orders to accompany us come from a woman we killed personally killed, and he professes undying loyalty to the legion even though we've personally had him kill a ton of Disfavored, yet despite all this he's still here. I cannot help but wonder if he's secretly persona non grata in the Disfavored and they deliberately dumped him on Cleopatra to get rid of him. Yes, Erenyos mentions in the war tent that "Barik's band" is being prepared to attack Echocall Crossing, but then they immediately turn it around and give it to the idiot Bitter Quip has to deal with. There will be more to this as we go through the game.




Your assignment, should you choose to accept it, is to find any instance in this game of Kyros being merciful. I'll wait.


We can confirm he's stuck in there because we kinda did most of his sidequest.










This is a direct reference to his habit of running off and impregnating foreign women and leaving his children like Verse behind. Back up the tree!
















The "overwhelming numbers" part is a hint that Ashe was brought down by the Scarlet Chorus. We know this because Mark told us, but it's also amusing that the foundational myth of the Disfavored is about how they got their asses handed to them by Someone Definitely Not Our Archenemy The Scarlet Chorus.
Weirdly the Disfavored version leaves out Ashe's legitimate greatest triumph - their killing of the Archon of War. I suspect Ashe and the rest of the Archons would prefer not to spread the idea that Archons can be killed.



We're taking the politically correct option.


Notice anyone who's missing from this calculus?
What Barik Just Said posted:
: Graven Ashe served as a warlord in the service of one of the local kings that defied Kyros' rule
Who was this king, and who were his people? Remember, the forces invading Graven Ashe's homeland weren't the Archon of Public Relations and the Archon of Being Really Nice, the opposition was Nerat and the monstrous hellhole known as the Scarlet Chorus. It is entirely plausible to me that a conscientious king would order his troops into battle to save his people from being anywhere near the Voices of Nerat, an insane man who tortured his own family and has his followers butcher each other for sport. Graven Ashe wants you to believe he's an honorable general who believes in loyalty and honor for his troops - but he betrayed the king he swore allegiance to and the people he swore to protect. Under any kind of feudal system that makes his word worthless. We know the people he swore to protect got screwed by Kyros because Sirin told us so.
Earlier in the game posted:
Now the myth is that Ashe's betrayal of his king and the people in it to the man who murdered his son is the mark of a caring man who wanted to preserve his soldiers. This is absolute nonsense, yet we keep seeing it over and over again. Ashe rushes his troops into avoidable situations where they'll take heavy losses - first directly into the Edict of Storms and then into the Matani river. More importantly, it's clear that Ashe is more interested in keeping up the appearance that he cares about his troops then actually caring about his troops. Notice how Ashe is in his own tent in Act 1, and he never seems to spend any time out and about talking or checking on his troops? Let's bring this back to Barik. Barik is a soldier who was fused into his own armor as a result of the Disfavored campaigns and the Edict of Storms, yet instead of going to Graven Ashe for help he comes to us and we get publicly smacked down by Tunon. Graven Ashe is an Archon who is the full beneficiary of Archon's Privilege, and his appeal would go a hell of a lot farther than ours. Yet instead of actually helping Barik, he just kind of sits in his tent and makes Erenyos interact with our companion instead.









Ah, yes, that noble Archon who hid in the back and made us do all the work at the Mountain Spire. That "icon of leadership and courage"?

Look at how low the standards are! This is like praising someone for managing to smoke crack without setting their house on fire. For bonus points the Vendrien Guard meet all of these criteria. Tarkis Arri doesn't kill for sport. She doesn't waste time issuing pointless commands, and the Vendrien Guard are a disciplined fighting force that is capable of conducting defensive operations and withstanding a siege.
Earlier in the game posted:
Can you imagine Graven Ashe doing anything like this? The Disfavored mythology presents surrendering to Kyros as some great sacrifice accepting defeat to spare his soldiers, but the sacrifice is that he gets to be a powerful Archon who doesn't have to obey the vast majority of the laws and is still allowed a private army to take slaves and steal shit. Pelox Florian - even though he had to be talked into it - is showing more leadership than Graven Ashe ever showed in his entire life. Even though he's a rich noble, he still led the men in hand to hand combat against Kyros' soldiers, wizards, and a Fatebinder trained by Bleden Mark himself. Ashe just hides like a coward in the back.
One of the great tragedies of fascism is that it can call forth incredible loyalty and courage from its soldiers in the service of leaders who absolutely do not deserve it.








This is where things get weird.

Earlier in the game posted:
You might expect Barik to be upset that we kicked her off the tower to her death. You'd be wrong.

Why are we discussing her in the present tense when we kicked her off the ledge?



What? You personally helped kill him. Why are you...forget it.





Uh huh.

My guess is that he's a developing Archon too. Who knows? He never appears on any route save the Disfavored, so who cares?







Right, of course. Dammit.


Goddammit Barik! Stop with the White Man's Burden bullshit! The Disfavored got completely stalled until Cleopatra went and did all the work herself.





It is hilariously ironic that Barik uses the word "fealty" here, while he admitted that Graven Ashe stomped all over his for the chance at free power and slaves. This entire setup is also the triumph of Kyros. How many people are there who can feasibly claim descent from the people who stood with Graven Ashe? How many family lines are ended by throwing the Disfavored into combat? This myth is absolutely amazing for Kyros, as every Disfavored lost is extremely difficult to replace, and the best part is that Graven Ashe's power base is so tied up in this myth he can't adapt and start training Tiersmen troops to Disfavored quality without his soldiers deserting and his power being broken.





I would bet real money that the old name of the legion was tied to the kingdom it was to defend, and amusingly, the army is named something so contemptuous as a sign of just how subjugated they were. Yes, Graven Ashe resisted Kyros and was a military genius, but Kyros eventually won and restored Ashe to his rightful place as a vassal. It never seems to cross Barik's mind that the name "Disfavored" is an insult or that Kyros views the entire legion as worthless and disposable. After all, the Disfavored got hit by both the Edict of Storms AND the Edict of Execution! That's more Edicts than most of Kyros' enemies get!

Back up the tree!













He's not wrong! We saw Nerat send the Disfavored into an obvious trap, but I suspect if we asked Barik for proof we would get some variant of "Green flame man bad".



She's right there.

She quit, my guy. She's right over there.

Back up the tree!




Come to think of it, it really doesn't speak well of Nerat either that after encountering serious opposition from Ashe's heavy infantry he continued his garbage human wave tactics. It works for controlling the Chorus, true, but as an offensive army they're still trash.



We know, but I'm curious to see Barik's take.


I don't think we ever learned that the Wild Wrath school were a bunch of crazy pyromaniacs everyone hated, but that is exactly what Nerat would love.

How the hell did this army fight before it had Blood - you know what, the more I think about the Chorus, the less sense everything makes.





It's a hilariously bad policy (which has its roots in historical social Darwinism) and it has the hilariously simply response that a strong person only needs to have one bad day and their skills are lost to the Chorus forever. Did your mage blow up a bunch of guys only to get backstabbed for leadership of the gang when he's exhausted? Congratulations, you just lost a powerful mage that you will never get back!
I'm also unclear why the stupid aren't supposed to be in this army if standard combat doctrine is to charge at the Roman Legions with only a butter knife, but again, I don't make the rules, I merely make fun of them.


It is kind of nitpicky, but how are the Disfavored getting food? Historical armies relied on foraging and confiscating crops.
Caesar's Commentaries on the Civil War posted:
Pompey, being cut off from Dyrrachium, as he was unable to effect his purpose, took a new resolution, and entrenched himself strongly on a rising ground, which is called Petra, where ships of a small size can come in, and be sheltered from some winds. Here he ordered a part of his men-of-war to attend him, and corn and provisions to be brought from Asia, and from all the countries of which he kept possession. Caesar, imagining that the war would be protracted to too great a length, and despairing of his convoys from Italy, because all the coasts were guarded with great diligence by Pompey's adherents; and because his own fleets, which he had built during the winter, in Sicily, Gaul, and Italy, were detained; sent Lucius Canuleius into Epirus to procure corn; and because these countries were too remote, he fixed granaries in certain places, and regulated the carriage of the corn for the neighbouring states. He likewise gave directions that search should be made for whatever corn was in Lissus, the country of the Parthini, and all the places of strength. The quantity was very small, both from the nature of the land (for the country is rough and mountainous, and the people commonly import what grain they use); and because Pompey had foreseen what would happen, and some days before had plundered the Parthini, and having ravaged and dug up their houses, carried off all the corn, which he collected by means of his horse.
XLIII.Caesar, on being informed of these transactions, pursued measures suggested by the nature of the country. For round Pompey's camps there were several high and rough hills. These he first of all occupied with guards, and raised strong forts on them. Then drawing a fortification from one fort to another, as the nature of each position allowed, he began to draw a line of circumvallation round Pompey; with these views; as he had but a small quantity of corn, and Pompey was strong in cavalry, that he might furnish his army with corn and other necessaries from all sides with less danger: secondly, to prevent Pompey from foraging, and thereby render his horse ineffectual in the operations of the war; and thirdly, to lessen his reputation, on which he saw he depended greatly, among foreign nations, when a report should have spread throughout the world that he was blockaded by Caesar, and dare not hazard a battle.
Both Caesar and Pompey are commanding Roman legions, and those men are plundering and foraging for food! This is with naval resupply! I have no idea how the hell Graven Ashe is getting food for all the Disfavored without plundering and foraging - is he using some magic never before discussed? You can't really transport food overland, because the people and animals transporting the food eat it in transit. I bring this up because Barik criticizing the Chorus for...doing what historical professional armies did to find food is incredibly bizarre, and makes no sense as a rhetorical device to portray the Chorus as inept and incompetent. If anything, the Chorus having dedicated logistical units while the Disfavored don't is a point in the Chorus' favor.





Barik, it's my job to make fun of your shitty racism, and I can't do that when you self-own that hard.



Special plead.
Back up the tree!





We're probably going to get useless information on the people we've met, but we are going to encounter the Unbroken next chapter.



But they're not Northerners, so instead of trying to recruit these experienced and battle hardened troops, the Disfavored let them all go over to Nerat because they're morons.

This is going to become hilarious in light of future events.

Back up the tree!



It's funny, because the picture he's painting is of an army who was literally handed the keys to the kiddy pool and fucked it up so badly that Kyros had to step in to hit the Edict button, and then they still managed to march into the Edict and lose a ton of soldiers. It's like a Christmas miracle without Christmas!



I'm sorry, thread, we're about to get dumb racist shit.

Barik, you will not shut up about how superior training will always win out whenever we talk to the Stonestalkers.


Back up the tree!



That is literally the nicest thing she's ever said about Barik.


The Disfavored fight in a phalanx. A phalanx is a spear formation. You know what, screw it, clearly nobody did the research on Bronze Age soldiers.


Ashe fights with a mace. We saw him at the war tent.



Now, back up the tree!






It's kind of amazing how every fact Barik says flies completely in the face of his core beliefs.












This teaches them a combo!
TheGreatEvilKing summary posted:
: Barik, I know almost nothing about you, tell me about yourself.
: I come from a long line of Disfavored warriors who served Graven Ashe, and the legion offered to take care of my family, so here I am! I was an elite fighter, but the Disfavored trained me up super hardcore! Anyway, my name is short for "Barikonen", my surname, which has no other distinction but being passed down by some guy who helped Graven Ashe fight Kyros and then lived to fuck!
: Remind me what happened with your armor?
: Oh, as soon as we heard Kyros was going to proclaim the Edict of Storms Graven Ashe had us all run into the blast radius to rescue his daughter. We lost a ton of highly experienced and near irreplaceable troops, and I got fused with my armor and my own shit!
: Hell yeah good history shit!
: So give me the lowdown on the Disfavored and Graven Ashe, what's their deal and why are they called that?
: They suck lol.
: Graven Ashe is the greatest general ever! He came to serve Kyros when he waged a war against Kyros, but was defeated by "superior numbers" that definitely weren't the Scarlet Chorus! Kyros was like, wow, that man is a genius, and invited him to join the forces of Kyros in a way that totally didn't betray the people of the North Ashe was sworn to protect! Kyros named us the Disfavored because we were SO COOL, and we get to be winners!!!!1!!!!! Ashe surrendered to save his troops like a real hero - he never told me so, but I know!
: Uh, sure, yay.
: He wields super cool magic that heals his troops and lets him know where we are at all times! He's the greatestest man ever! Such a paragon of courage and leadership!
: So, uh, been with the Disfavored a while?
: For years! I was always at the tip of the phalanx, and we had four super cool lieutenants that I will describe in the present tense despite helping kill half of them. Anyway, the Disfavored are so good because we only let pureblood Northerners join!
: So what if a capable Tiersman wished to join? And why "Disfavored"?
: Nope! This is all about our glorious shared history when we betrayed the North for Kyros, and not being racist would undermine that! Also we're only known as the Disfavored, and it's very rude to ask about our original name!
: What do you think of the Scarlet Chorus?
: Nerat sucks! They suck too! They're a bunch of inept dumbasses who - get this - forage for food!
: Lol no u.
: What do you think of the Tiers?
: Lol Tiersmen, except that the Unbroken could go toe to toe with us and the Beastmen ambushed and kicked our asses.
: Can you teach me some moves?
: Sure.
: Ok, so I think if you and Verse trained together you could do something really great. Unless you think you're not good enough?
: Oh, huh, I've unlocked a combo move, something I've never done with any Disfavored members. I better not think about how all the stuff Ashe fed me doesn't match the real world and makes me sound dumb. La la la.
We can sum up this conversation in four words: Barik is always wrong. You can see the discrepancies as a neutral observer reading what he says - Graven Ashe is a military genius, Graven Ashe was defeated by the Scarlet Chorus. Graven Ashe is a paragon of loyalty and courage, Graven Ashe betrayed his king and country by defecting to Kyros for power. Disfavored troops are the most well trained in the land and nothing can approximate the fellowship based on what people who had sex generations ago went through, Barik and Verse can reach new pinnacles of cohesion tighter than any Disfavored phalanx. The Tiersmen are stupid idiots who can't fight, the Unbroken are capable of meeting the Disfavored in open battle. Graven Ashe cares about his troops, Graven Ashe ordered his elite forces into an Edict he knew was coming. Kyros admires the Disfavored's courage and tenacity, Kyros renamed them the Disfavored and won't allow their old name spoken. Idiots on Reddit like to talk about how the Disfavored aren't just fascists because they have their own lore and traditions (nevermind that Eco defines fascism as the cult of tradtion!) but the lore and traditions make the Disfavored out to be classic fascists per Eco- the cult of tradition, the emphasis on blood and soil, the fact that it all falls apart under the slightest criticism, the glorification of death seeking, life as permanent warfare - it's all there!
Anyway, the party vote is still open! Choose wisely!